Curse

Bobum · Jun 09, 2005, 02:47 PM // 14:47

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Originally Posted by astzzz

hey dickhead, 4000exp is very welcome when youre level 20 and need the exp for the skill points.

Ahh now there's an enlightened response.

CtrlAltDel · Jun 09, 2005, 02:47 PM // 14:47

may not be the greatest post, but the point he was making is quite valid

Algren Cole · Jun 09, 2005, 02:55 PM // 14:55

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Originally Posted by Dreamsmith

The game is becoming more geared towards people over 25. People who have lives and jobs and children and more important things to do than rerun the same damn mission five times.

I'm 23. I have a job that takes roughly 50-60 hours out of my week. I haev a 3 year old child that occupies every minute of my weekends. I didn't purchase this game expecting to be done with it in 2 minutes. I realize my schedule allows for limited time playing....this patch is awful. My two theories 1) they're appeasing those that don't want to do anything...they just wan't to start up the game and 5 minutes later be as good as everyone else.
2) they're forcing players to finish the game quicker and then get the **** off the server cuz they can't stand playing anymore. either way ArenaNet got it's 50 bucks.

der kur · Jun 09, 2005, 03:03 PM // 15:03

capturing skills i found something fun and pass time nicely. you go to the place where the boss that has the certain elite skill; oh damn it's a different boss, so you try again. then once you finally find your boss and doesn't use the skill that is a little aggrivating but oh well, just try again some other time. it was fun work that you could do without dealing with the morons in this game while gaining money,exp,items. and it does take skill it's called patience. though the only bosses i found that barely ever used elites were warrior ones, so that may be what this is all about. and another thing 90% of the elite skills are not worth using/getting but it was a good pastime to explore or whatever for those who enjoy the PVE aspect of the game.

and please explain the difference from "grinding" to playing in PVP where you wait nonstop for the doors to open run out kill a few people, maybe win, maybe die. the direction the game is going doesn't interest me so i'll just for another RGP.

Executioner · Jun 09, 2005, 03:08 PM // 15:08

heh the game hasnt got any easyer, ok so maybe everyone under the age of 12 can aquire elite skills easy, but you still have to do the work to get them.. The game should be catered for people of all ages !! even if theres a 12+ sticker on the box, even a 10yr old should be able to and maybe does play.

I think the only people who wont like this patch and the effects that make some parts of the game easyer for others are the power gamers, "those who like to have an unfair advantage over others in gaming enviroments", heh someone forgot to tell them this is a team based game.

nuff said

, but i do think all the fun is in the pvp..

"back to tombs.. beware my hammer, monks ! thou shall not be able to cast and bring thy holy chair to battle for thou shall be sitting down alot !"

asdar · Jun 09, 2005, 03:09 PM // 15:09

Algren they did nothing to affect your game play unless you farmed in what little time you had to get gold. Just have fun the same way you were, do missions, get weapons and enjoy.

Nothing's changed for casual players, if anything they just made your game that much better by taking out some of the repetitiveness before ascension. I sell every single weapon I get. I check for runes and sell it to the merchant. There's so many max damage swords/hammers/axes in this game that's only a month and a half old that soon, very soon, people will start giving them away in Ascalon to be nice.

I'd tell you exactly where to go to get a nice weapon but the answer is you can go anywhere. They're laying all over and if you took your starter weapon and off hand as a caster you could ascend without that much difficulty with those same exact items.

northernlights · Jun 09, 2005, 03:09 PM // 15:09

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Originally Posted by Cerby

Todays patch officially made the game just too easy for me. Only 1 infusion run? now you can use signet of Capture on a DEAD hero and pick what you want? A rune trader? I think its time to head to another game, this one is now geared for people under 12.

So this game is to easy... what is your character name/guild Cerby? If its as easy as you say I'm sure your owning in the HoH, whats your ranking?

cc.pyro · Jun 09, 2005, 03:09 PM // 15:09

Who really cares. I bet half of the people don't really care, they just saw everyone else complaining and jumped on the bandwagon. Let's look at it this way:

1. Before Patch:
"Geez, stupid devs, why are prices so high for runes, I have to farm all day for one rune, and the price to buy one is wayyy too high!!!! And I never have enough skill points!"

2. After Patch
"Dammit, now I have nothing to complain about, well I'll find something. Oh, I know, now it's too easy. Farming runes was really hard and required oh so much skill!!!!! And they give 4000XP for a quest. Well, now it's too easy to get XP. You know I really like to complain. If someone would pay me for it my life would be perfect!"

In conclusion, shutup or stop playing. I really don't care which you do as long as it is one of them. I'm not going to miss you when you are gone from GW, and neither is anyone else, really. Sure, ANet will lose your 50$ for the next expansions, but I'm sure they've already spent that trying to appease you.

For ****s sake if it's not one thing it's the other, make up your mind. I really don't want to do this, but if you want a game that is all grind play WoW, if you want a game that is grindless PvP play an FPS. If you want a game somewhere in the middle play GW.

I think ANet made a huge mistake listening to their users. I know this sounds wrong, but it's true. You give people an inch and they'll take a mile. If the dev team ignored people for a while, people would stop complaining as they realized that the dev team was tired of their bitching and complaining.

Saerden · Jun 09, 2005, 03:10 PM // 15:10

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

they're appeasing those that don't want to do anything...they just wan't to start up the game and 5 minutes later be as good as everyone else.

Sigh.

"As part of our continuing promise to keep Guild Wars free of hacks, cheats, and other exploits, we closed the accounts of more than 100 users of in-game "bots" today. Bots are against the EULA and the Rules of Conduct, and we will continue to remove players from the game if they engage in the use of such programs."

Obviously, "getting as good as everyone else" could be done by a mindless program while one is enjoying life elsewhere. Thats plain wrong, thats cheating. Cheating humans out of valuable time.

I dont know about you, but if a mindless, stupid bot could do it, id rather skip it ...

Of course, someone who has all the runes unlocked is exactly as good as "everyone else" / the guys from KOR - otherwise it wouldd be skill > time, and we cant allow that to happen.

* edit: if the dev team starts to ignore the users, the users start to ingore the dev team

. Look at the games to be released soon, and you will know who will win this "cold war"

codemonkey · Jun 09, 2005, 03:13 PM // 15:13

a. Please define to me how allowing someone to purcahse a Major Vigor rune for 18,000gp is making it easy? You find it easy to just drump up 18K? It just gives us a better possibility and drops the gouging trade price from 80K to something reasonable (maybe that is what you find issue with?)

b. I have a 2 year old daughter, a wife, a house to run, lawn to cut, work to do during the day (software developer no less!). I don't have time to run the same quest a zillion times to "try" and get an elite skill or whatnot. And by time, perhaps I mean patience. A game is a game, if you want to do the same thing over go get a job in an assembly line. That must be just as "fun."

c. Games are meant to be fun: Most people don't find it "fun" to do the same repetitive thing over and over (remember cutting wood for hours in Ultima Online just to make some chairs and bows?) I personally do not care if you think I am too powerful too quickly just because I can buy a rune of fast casting from a trader. This does not effect you game playing ability so why should this patch offend you?

Face it, patches are not added because developers found nothing to do with their time. They're appealing to the majority. And if you think it makes the game "too easy" your not in the majority and thus you don't count ;-)

In short, repeating the same old thing over and over is, in the majority, a complete waste of time. Want to increase the challenge & game play factors - wait for new areas and expansions to come out so that the game is longer and more challenging. People who complain are those that feel they're losing the "edge" because too many people are going to be "cool like them" (a.k.a those select few who thought they're awesomeness rating went up by sitting in the back of the bus in grade school). For the rest of us folks, the patches are a response to what we define as "fun."

CodeMonkey

cc.pyro · Jun 09, 2005, 03:14 PM // 15:14

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Originally Posted by Saerden

I dont know about you, but if a mindless, stupid bot could do it, id rather skip it ...

Yes, because that is completely logical.
Why do you write essays, do math homework, drive your car, play sports, live? A computer could do all of that, just skip it!!! I mean, if a mindless mess of chips and wires could do that for me why would I do it?

Algren Cole · Jun 09, 2005, 03:15 PM // 15:15

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Originally Posted by Saerden

Sigh.

"As part of our continuing promise to keep Guild Wars free of hacks, cheats, and other exploits, we closed the accounts of more than 100 users of in-game "bots" today. Bots are against the EULA and the Rules of Conduct, and we will continue to remove players from the game if they engage in the use of such programs."

Obviously, "getting as good as everyone else" could be done by a mindless program while one is enjoying life elsewhere. Thats plain wrong, thats cheating. Cheating humans out of valuable time.

I dont know about you, but if a mindless, stupid bot could do it, id rather skip it ...

Of course, someone who has all the runes unlocked is exactly as good as "everyone else" / the guys from KOR - otherwise it wouldd be skill > time, and we cant allow that to happen.

do you honestly think this patch will stop cheating? Do you honestly think that EVERYONE pays for this game...do you honestly think that everyone that has high level weapons and runes and whatever earned them....there's ALWAYS going to be people that cheat/hack...ArenaNet, if they are trying to eliminate hackers/cheaters, IS GOING TO FAIL. It's not possible...Reason: Those of us that can hack/cheat(I don't...because I enjoy playing the game. But I could quite easily. I cracked the game before I bought it.) are SMARTER than ArenaNet....All they've done is ruined the game for people that enjoy playing it. Sure they've appeased everyone that had problems with the game before....but that's only because the ones that have problems with it now weren't complaining.

Stur · Jun 09, 2005, 03:15 PM // 15:15

Code monkey as in code monkey publishing? just wondering.

Algren Cole · Jun 09, 2005, 03:18 PM // 15:18

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Originally Posted by codemonkey

b. I have a 2 year old daughter, a wife, a house to run, lawn to cut, work to do during the day (software developer no less!). I don't have time to run the same quest a zillion times to "try" and get an elite skill or whatnot. And by time, perhaps I mean patience. A game is a game, if you want to do the same thing over go get a job in an assembly line. That must be just as "fun."

is their a time limit on Guild Wars....if you don't finish it in 2 months does it spontaneously combust? does your computer stop working? does the game cease to exist? I have all the same things you do (minus the wife and my daughter is almost 4) I don't mind doing the same missions twice. I don't mind doing them three times....I enjoy being rewarded for getting more skillfull...not for just running through the motions and waiting for the cut scene. I fully understand that if it takes me a year to finish this game...it's still gonna be there when I'm done, and I enjoy having to complete certain things multiple times until I get it done the right way.......you'd think as a software developer you'd understand this.

WillOrWil · Jun 09, 2005, 03:19 PM // 15:19

This is just my opinion but I like the patch for the most part. I still wish they would expand the storage though. Hopefully they will in the next patch!

I can see both sides to the SOC debate though. I also agree with both sides. But I still will miss getting in a group and trying our best to keep the boss alive while spamming the SOC hoping to get the skill! I thought it was fun! Especially when you added in the inattentive people who didn't notice that by running around the boss they triggered off more monsters and then the fight would continue once more! It was frustrating, infuriating and just plain exciting! You never knew if you would get it or not! Now it is guaranteed which is both a good and bad thing.

Oh well...I just hope one day they will expand the storyline for those of us who would've really enjoyed playing the evil guy and joining the Mantle.

codemonkey · Jun 09, 2005, 03:21 PM // 15:21

Cheating may not be able to be stopped, but it also shouldn't be encouraged by ignoring it. They should continue to attempt to stop it to keep the percentage of people doing it to a minimum.

I've never cheated at a game before (esp. online) but hacking or destroying binaries to say you can is part of human nature

Its the challenge to say you can do something your not supposed to do! The problem is that those hacks get to the commoners that don't care about how much effort one or more people put into breaking into something, and just use it as a simple exploit.

Its not a hack until you get caught (or give it away to script kiddies)

CodeMonkey

codemonkey · Jun 09, 2005, 03:23 PM // 15:23

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Originally Posted by Stur

Code monkey as in code monkey publishing? just wondering.

No codemonkey as in "I write code for a living" :-) I'm a network programmer, and have had some past experience in network game programming at small startups that always fail.

CodeMonkey

Mumblyfish · Jun 09, 2005, 03:25 PM // 15:25

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Originally Posted by Stur

Code monkey as in code monkey publishing? just wondering.

Code Monkey is slang for that most underappreciated of creatures, the software programmer. Underpaid, overworked, violated every which way and not given any real involvement in conceptual or design work, the Code Monkey tirelessly cranks out code to the specifications given. Code Monkeys, we salute thee.

codemonkey · Jun 09, 2005, 03:26 PM // 15:26

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Originally Posted by Mumblyfish

Code Monkey is slang for that most underappreciated of creatures, the software programmer. Underpaid, overworked, violated every which way and not given any real involvement in conceptual or design work, the Code Monkey tirelessly cranks out code to the specifications given. Code Monkeys, we salute thee.

Ah, the man is target dead on. I couldn't have said it better myself, and if I could find a great banner with your family crest I would hang it high above my cube....

CodeMonkey

Stur · Jun 09, 2005, 03:29 PM // 15:29

Well code monkey publishing writes software for role-playing games and he is a programmer name code monkey on a role-playing games forum, honest mistake lol